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Filed by Community Health Systems, Inc.
pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act of 1933
and deemed filed pursuant to Rule 14a-12
under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Subject Company: Tenet Healthcare Corporation
Commission File No.: 001-07293
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available in its proxy statement for its 2010 annual meeting of stockholders, which was filed with
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Event ID: 3587088
Culture: en-US
Event Name: Community Health Systems Offers to Acquire Tenet Healthcare for $6.00 Per Share in Cash
and Stock
Event Date: 2010-12-10T15:30:00 UTC
C: Lib Schuler; Community Health Systems, Inc.; VP of IR
C: Wayne Smith; Community Health Systems, Inc.; Chairman of the Board, President and CEO
P: John Rex; JPMorgan; Analyst
C: Larry Cash; Community Health Systems, Inc.; CFO
P: A.J. Rice; Susquehanna Financial Group; Analyst
P: Gary Lieberman; Wells Fargo Securities; Analyst
P: Brian Sekino; Barclays Capital; Analyst
P: Ralph Giacobbe; Credit Suisse; Analyst
P: Kevin Fischbeck; BofA Merrill Lynch; Analyst
P: Justin Lake; UBS; Analyst
P: Whit Mayo; Robert W. Baird & Company, Inc.; Analyst
P: Jake Hindelong; Soleil Securities; Analyst
P: Operator
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Operator: Good morning. My name is Sara and I will be your conference operator today. At this time,
I would like to welcome everyone to the Community Health Systems conference call. All lines have
been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers remarks, there will be a
question-and-answer session. (Operator Instructions).
Thank you. I would now like to turn the call over to Ms. Lib Schuler, Vice President Investor
Relations of Community Health Systems. Ms. Shuler, you may begin.
Lib Schuler: Thank you, Sara. Good morning and welcome to Community Health Systems conference
call. Before we begin the call, I would like to read the following disclosure statement:
Any statements made in this presentation that are not statements of historical fact, including
statements about our beliefs and expectations, including any benefits of the proposed acquisition
of Tenet Healthcare Corporation (Tenet), are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the
federal securities laws, and should be evaluated as such. Forward-looking statements include
statements that may relate to our plans, objectives, strategies, goals, future events, future
revenues or performance, and other information that is not historical information. These
forward-looking statements may be identified by words such as anticipate, expect, suggest,
plan, believe, intend, estimates, targets, project, could, should, may, will,
would, continue, forecast, and other similar expressions.
These forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, and you should be aware that many
factors could cause actual results or events to differ materially from those expressed in the
forward-looking statements. Factors that may materially affect such forward-looking statements
include: our ability to successfully complete any proposed transaction or realize the anticipated
benefits of a transaction, our ability to obtain stockholder, antitrust, regulatory and other
approvals for any proposed transactions, or an inability to obtain them on the terms proposed or on
the anticipated schedule and uncertainty of our expected financial performance following completion
of any proposed transactions. Forward-looking statements, like all statements in this presentation,
speak only as of the date of this presentation unless another date is indicated. We do not
undertake any obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of
new information, future events, or otherwise.
This communication does not constitute an offer to sell or the solicitation of an offer to buy any
securities or a solicitation of any vote for approval. This presentation relates to a business
combination transaction with Tenet, proposed by Community Health Systems, Inc. (CHS or the
Company), which may become the subject of a registration statement filed with the Securities and
Exchange Commission (the SEC). This material is not a substitute for any prospective proxy
statement or any other document, which the Company may file with the SEC in connection with the
proposed transaction. Investors and security holders are urged to read any such document filed with
the SEC carefully in their entirety, if and when they become available, because they will contain
important information about the proposed transaction. Such documents would be available free of
charge through the website maintained by the SEC at www.SEC.gov or by directing a request to
Community Health Systems, Inc. at 4000 Meridian Boulevard, Franklin, Tennessee, 37067, Attention:
Investor Relations.
The Company and its directors and executive officers and other persons may be deemed to be
participants in any solicitation of proxies from Tenet stockholders in respect of the proposed
transaction with Tenet. Information regarding the Companys directors and executive officers is
available in its proxy statement for its 2010 annual meeting of stockholders, which was filed with
the SEC on April 9, 2010. Other information regarding potential participants in such proxy
solicitations, and a description of their direct and indirect interest by security holdings and
otherwise, will be contained in any proxy statement filed in connection with the proposed
transaction.
With that said, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Wayne Smith, Chairman, President, and
Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Smith?
Wayne Smith: Thank you, Lib. Thats longer than my script. Good morning and thank you all for
joining us.
We issued a press release after the market closed yesterday to announce that Community Health
Systems had made an offer to acquire Tenet Healthcare Corporation for $6 per share in cash and
stock or approximately $7.3 billion, including indebtedness. CHS sent a letter to Tenets Board of
Directors on November 12, 2010, outlining the proposed transaction. On Monday, December 6, 2010, we
received a letter from Tenets Board, flatly rejecting our offer. On Wednesday, December 8, 2010,
we received a second letter from Tenets Board, this time a five-page document that attempted to
provide a rationale for rejecting our offer. Neither letter addressed the valuation issue.
The purpose of this call is to briefly discuss the proposed transaction and answer your questions.
Larry Cash, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, is also on the call with me.
Let me begin by saying that we believe there is a powerful and compelling strategic rationale for
this transaction complementary geographic fit with significant synergy potential; opportunity to
leverage operating efficiencies and best practices; increased ability for a more effective contract
negotiation with payers; continued growth driven by physician recruitment; and finally, we expect
this transaction to be EPS accretive in the first full year following the closing of the
acquisition.
We believe that $6 $5 in cash and $1 in stock represents a fair offer to the Tenet
shareholders, a 40% premium over yesterdays closing price of $4.29. The stock consideration allows
the Tenet shareholders to participate in the future upside from earnings growth and synergy
realization. Our banker, Credit Suisse, is highly confident that the necessary funds for the
transaction can be arranged. Prior to the execution of a definitive agreement, we will receive a
financing commitment to fully fund this transaction.
Id now like to size the combined companies. CHS has 12 months of revenues of $12.7 billion and
Tenet has the last 12 months revenues of $9 billion, a total of $21.9 billion. We would operate 176
facilities in 30 states, with a licensed bed count of over 32,000. This transaction would add an
additional state to our geographic diversity, Nebraska.
Our standardized practices will align the Tenet facilities to improve the quality of healthcare
services, and to strengthen physician and employee relations. This transaction would also benefit
both payers and employers by providing comprehensive and cost-effective health services. We would
also be able to bring broader and more effective services to all of our communities.
Tenet and Community Health have a strong geographic overlap with 10 states in common. The overlap
gives us an increased negotiating power with the managed care providers and also offers potential
referral synergies. We also believe we will be better positioned for healthcare
reform. We continue to be diversified across urban, mid-size, and non-urban markets. On a combined
basis, we will continue to be the sole market provider in almost 50% of our markets.
As with the Triad transaction, the combined Company has a significant scale advantage, primarily
the ability to leverage operating efficiencies and the use of best practices across the entire
hospital portfolio. In terms of revenue, we would be second to private HCA, but the largest in
terms of number of hospitals.
Over the 10 years that weve been public, our management team has a proven track record of
unmatched operating performance. We continued to demonstrate this operating strength when we
acquired the Triad assets in 2007, successfully integrating those facilities. Since that time, the
Company continues to record consistent financial performance, including same-store revenue growth
and strong cash flow.
Triad contributed approximately 56% of our combined revenue at the time of the acquisition. Tenet
would contribute approximately 42%. The EBITDA contribution for Triad was 55% and for Tenet, it
would be 36%.
Again, we are very again, we were very successful with the Triad acquisition of approximately 50
hospitals. We saw substantial corporate cost savings, recognized synergies over $270 million. We
also improved EBITDA margin by 280 basis points. Additionally, since we acquired Triad, we have
recruited approximately 2,400 physicians to those facilities.
So, were extremely excited about the potential of these two combined companies. And with that,
Larry and I are now open well open the call for questions-and-answer period. And if you would
like to talk to us after the call, you can reach us at area code 615-465-7000.
Sara ready for questions.
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Operator: (Operator Instructions). John Rex, JPMorgan.
John Rex: So, I guess just first wanted to come back to some of the synergy parameters you laid out
as you look to Triad. So, can we use as a guideline here maybe potentially scaled up for the bigger
base of Tenet? Are there things that you could point out even I know you havent been deep
inside Tenet at this point, but you could point out quickly where that would be either too low, too
high and youd want to move away from that kind of assumption?
Wayne Smith: Yes, John, I think youll have to make your own assumptions about that. I think all we
can do is say what weve accomplished in the past. As size matters in terms of this, you can look
at Triad was about a $6 billion revenue and Tenet is about a $9 billion revenue.
Having said that, I think one of the things that were encouraged about is the fact that we have a
very standardized, centralized platform operating platform. And the more we add to the
platform, the more productivity and the more efficiency we get. We certainly think theres
synergies in terms of corporate synergies and operating synergies as we look to the future.
Larry, do you want to say anything?
Larry Cash: Yes, I just would add I think it gives you a good parameter and the corporate
revenue being larger in Tenet, which gave a lot of comfort that the $275 million can probably be
achieved, but we havent put out a number as yet. Weve done a lot of work. We do more work
clearly, a lot of synergies revolve around cost savings, corporate officer supplies, marketing,
legal, accounting, audit fees, all that kind of stuff, which would be similar to what weve got in
the Tenet activity.
But were pretty comfortable with the number we used. We hopefully are being conservative. And I
also would add that in the Triad transaction, we kept changing the synergy number along the way and
kept increasing it after we bought the deal. So, starting off with this deal were being a little
conservative than what we envisioned that we would. I think the revenue gives you a good parameter
there to be pretty sure theres at least as much as there was in the Triad and maybe probably
some more.
John Rex: Okay, great. And can you tell us about your assessment of any hurdles that maybe Tenets
corporate integrity agreement would present for you and kind of how you assess that?
Wayne Smith: Yes, we dont I dont know some people know this and some people dont, but
about 12 to 14 years ago when we first got here, we volunteered for a corporate integrity agreement
because we found some things when we first got to this Company. So we have plenty of experience
with that. We dont see that as an issue. The things that we have done related to the government
over the past number of years, weve got an excellent relationship. We dont see that as any issue
there whatsoever.
I dont think the corporate integrity agreement has much to do with fair value of this Company, by
the way.
John Rex: Okay, great. And then just last thing, as you look to the market then I mean, I think
probably the only market that jumps out as a state-wide is Texas, where theres maybe a little bit
more overlap. As you got down to the MSA levels, I mean, have you identified a set where you a
set of facilities where youd have questions?
Wayne Smith: No. You know, we unfortunately, we would love to have had an opportunity to talk to
Tenet and their Board about why we think this is strategically so compelling. We never got that
far. So weve not weve seen the facilities we know the facilities, all of the above, but we
need more information about all that.
But again, theres the other regulatory thing that you might be concerned about is the FTC and
we dont see that weve done a review of that and we dont see any FTC issues here.
John Rex: Okay. You didnt spot any markets where you thought that would be a hurdle then?
Wayne Smith: No.
John Rex: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Operator: A.J. Rice, Susquehanna.
A.J. Rice: Hello, thanks. Hello everybody. Maybe just jumping off on the transition of Community
over the last 10 years initially it became public focusing on the rural markets. Triad took you
into the mid-size city markets. Now, Wayne, you mentioned some reasons why it might make sense to
add an urban overlay health reform, and leverage with payers, et cetera. Id love if you would
expand on your thinking there.
And then also just I think theres I think it would be helpful maybe just to draw on your
experience way back when, when you were running or overseeing some urban properties, just why
youre confident that making the move now that Community has the firepower to take something like
this on.
Wayne Smith: Yes, let me just kind of start a little globally here in terms of how we think about
this, you know, as we think about healthcare reform. We have been working and those of you who see
us on the road or come here in our investor conferences, weve been talking about the fact that we
think that what we should be thinking about strategically, in terms of healthcare reform, is
infrastructure and being able to broaden our infrastructure so that we will not be excluded from
any insurance products.
Weve done a good job with that. We continue to do that, but this is a much larger step in being
able to do that, in terms of broadening our networks. For example, someone mentioned Texas earlier
we have 18 hospitals in Texas; Tenet has 10, and that would be 28 hospitals in that state. When
we think about networks, we think about everything from markets where we have a large presence in
terms of hospitals and physicians, to a statewide network as well, all of which we think is very
helpful.
The other piece to this is demonstrating quality. And we think thats the other way that you could
possibly get excluded from a network in the future. Were doing great. Were moving along, weve
got great quality standards. We make great progress and all that.
We do think its helpful to and one of the attractions here, believe it or not, and we certainly
have experience with this, is the academic medical centers. We think the academic medical centers
are very helpful as we think about the future, in terms of demonstrating quality and in terms of
referral networks.
So were not concerned about our ability to manage this. Weve got I think weve got 46
hospitals that are over $100 million; 11 over $200 million. I would think if we got down into the
weeds about this and we want to look at margins on our very large hospitals compared to anybody
elses in the industry, I think wed certainly compare favorably.
But more importantly, I think we have a strategy that makes sense. And we certainly have the
horsepower and the depth of management. One of our division presidents actually ran an academic
medical center. So we certainly have the depth of management here and I think its and the
experience thats a code word for old but we certainly have the experience in terms of
making this work. And Triad is a very good example of this. But the story is, I think, we think
its the right story and its very compelling.
A.J. Rice: Okay, great. Just maybe the other thing I would ask you about is, obviously, as you look
at Tenet, theyve got a lot of high-cost debt, public debt that doesnt all I mean, doesnt
automatically get refinanced here. Any comments about the opportunity that might be there to lower
the average borrowing costs for them? Or what kind of assumption would you make on effective on
that $4 billion of debt they have outstanding?
Larry Cash: Yes, weve got several alternatives available today. Weve worked closely with Credit
Suisse, who gives some good advice about it. Theres lots of alternatives. I wouldnt think that
were going into it to immediately that that debt would get lowered, probably think about the
debt we would add would probably be somewhere, I think, some big transactions were just done at
7.75%. So, looks like something like existing debt for them and probably something like 8% for any
debt wed put on would be a pretty safe assumption.
I would add one thing, A.J. you mentioned about the transition, and Wayne mentioned weve got 46
hospitals today over $100 million. Back when we did the Triad, we had 17, which shows how weve
changed over the last few years.
Wayne Smith: Yes, one other thing I would add to all of this, in terms of our profile, weve
operated as a small, non-urban company; we operated as a company now, a large company with all-size
facilities. This is a little different in terms of the size of these facilities.
But having said that, were very comfortable with the operating side of it, but more importantly,
were comfortable if we think about companies like HCA, whos done a great job over the past number
of years, and this is very similar to their profile now. And if you like HCA and the margins they
get, then you probably will like this transaction as well.
A.J. Rice: Alright, thanks a lot.
Operator: Gary Lieberman, Wells Fargo.
Gary Lieberman: Thanks. Maybe to follow-up on that last point can you talk about any kind of
revenue opportunity you see? You talked about maybe some guidelines for the synergies more from a
cost perspective, but if you looked at EBITDA per adjusted admission, Tenets probably isnt a
whole lot different than Communitys, despite having a higher case mix index. So maybe if you could
talk a little bit about what you can see on the potential for the revenue side.
Wayne Smith: You know, one of the things that we dont know, which we would like to know more
about, and we can only gauge this from our past experience with Triad, in that as you all
know, weve done an exceptional job in physician recruiting over the last number of years. I dont
think weve ever missed a target. This year, were going to recruit over 1,700 physicians to our
facilities. Over the last two to three years, weve recruited over 2,400 facilities to the Triad
facilities. And that in itself has been a big uplift in revenue and margin improvement. We think
the same opportunity exists in the Tenet facilities.
Now, again, somebody will probably say, look, this is different because youre theyre big urban
markets so you cant just exactly recruit physicians in from the outside; youve got to recruit the
this is we call that Hospital 101. Weve been doing this for a long, long time. We understand
the dynamics of markets and how to recruit physicians, and we do it in all types and all sizes of
the market.
So I would say if you look at our historic model, in terms of what weve acquired through the
years, weve always said the first couple of years, we work on the cost side and we get a few basis
points in terms of improvement in terms of the margin on the cost side, but were all about the top
line and trying to make sure weve got the right level of services, and the right complement of
physicians.
Larry Cash: I would add one thing, Gary. I think when it comes to managed care while weve not
done any due diligence we were where we got some managed care benefit in the Triad transaction.
You would think when you put together 50 hospitals with 126 hospitals, you would probably get some
managed care opportunities for that transaction also.
Gary Lieberman: Okay. And then maybe could you just comment on your comfort level with what the
overall debt level would look like for the combined entity?
Larry Cash: If you look at it, our debt was about six times when we did the Triad; we worked it
down to about five. This would go somewhere in the low fives. Were comfortable with that. Weve
run lots of projections here. Were comfortable with our covenants that weve got and how well be
spending capital. So were very, very comfortable. And I think its very capable to get financing
here; this is a good time to be borrowing money or in the next few months, it looks like the
interest rates will stay low. And so to the extent this moves forward, we should have some good
financing.
Gary Lieberman: Great. Thanks a lot.
Operator: Brian Sekino, Barclays Capital.
Brian Sekino: Good morning. This is Brian Sekino on behalf of Adam Feinstein here. Just had a
question on your synergy targets, I guess, with the Triad deal. I know you initially guided towards
$145 million, and then over time, you that came up to $275 million. Can you tell us, I guess,
kind of in what areas the upside in synergies came from and what you realize about those
facilities, as you became more familiar with them?
Larry Cash: Yes, clearly, the first synergy number we put out was low when we announced the deal of
$50 million and raised it to $84 million. And I think the first full year, we hit $145 million.
We probably did a little bit better in the corporate office. We did better in the supply category,
better in the category suspending like marketing and also in areas like health information
management, and then eventually also got some of the IT area. We were pretty pleased that we
actually achieved more than we anticipated when we first announced the deal. Here we think weve
been very conservative what we would have here. And I think theres plenty and if you look at
size of hospitals or locations of hospitals, these types of synergies are going to happen based
more putting together two companies. So I dont think it has anything to do the size of hospital
or whatever.
Wayne Smith: But I would remind you that we say this a lot, and we say this publicly, we have not
reduced our 401(k); weve not had a major layoff of 800 people. We have not deferred our salaries
from one quarter to the next year. Weve not done any of those kinds of things. We have a very
stable operating platform and its worked extremely well. Weve not had to do those because our
productivity and efficiency in the way that we operate. So when we talk about synergies, were not
talking about doing things that would be draconian or uncomfortable or anything else like that.
Larry Cash: And if you actually go back over history and pro forma, had we owned all of Triad in
2007, weve grown EBITDA $450 million and revenue by $3 billion and reduced debt $200 million, and
also cut the shares almost 2.5 million. So its been a real good performance.
Brian Sekino: Okay, great. Thanks. And then just you mentioned the leverage that youll get with
managed payers on a statewide basis. Just wanted to ask, I know youve talked about some of the
supply initiatives and that youll look to announce some of those a little bit later, how would a
transaction like this fit in with some of those initiatives that youve been planning?
Larry Cash: Well, I think this relates to supplies. In the case of Triad, they were about 80%
compliant; theyre well over 90% compliant now. Weve been one of the most compliant companies
within HBG does an excellent job of activity. Wed have a transition period and wed work to
move our supplies over to our current GPO and have some very good savings off that. And I just
would add, weve made some transitions before at $20 million, $25 million, when we had less than
the $4 billion revenue.
Wayne Smith: Yes, and I think, clearly, we have a good track record. And we have a standardized,
centralized process that we use. Weve done this so many times over and over again.
But I would tell you that we disagree with some peoples view of meaningful use and IT. If youve
got to spend $600 million, youre only getting $300 million back, we dont know exactly what
happens to that gap there in between that, when its all said and done. We dont expect that to be
a big uplift in earnings.
Brian Sekino: Okay, thanks a lot.
Operator: Ralph Giacobbe, Credit Suisse.
Ralph Giacobbe: Thanks, good morning. Can you maybe give us a sense of how you think about margin
profile between urban and rural hospitals? Earlier, you mentioned HCA, and if we like HCA, itd be
sort of a similar combination between you and Tenet. HCAs margins are obviously a lot higher. So
Im just trying to gauge are you saying that you think theres a lot of opportunity within the
urban markets to help or even raise the profile of your consolidated margins today?
Larry Cash: Well, if you look at us today in our hospitals, the 46 hospitals we named, theyve got
a margin higher than our company average. And then also I believe if you look at HCA, theyve got
like an 18% margin. I think theyve got more employed physicians than on a revenue basis than
Tenets got, which probably hurts the HCA margins probably be even higher for (inaudible)
employed physicians at Tenet.
I think that being able to move the 11% up to 18%, thats not something weve ever modeled or
guided to; I think theres lots of opportunity, especially if you look at our existing company-wide
margins, 14%. And we just said our larger hospitals drive a better margin than that. And also
actually our volume growth this year has been better in the larger markets than some of the smaller
markets. And the case mix is larger and generally generally, most companies who have the higher
case mix, have better margins.
Ralph Giacobbe: Okay. And then just going back to what you said, it sounds like you dont think
thered be tons of issues on the FTC side. I guess, should we think about anything going forward
with the combination, whether thered be significant pairing just based on your strategy to get
more in the urban markets, would there be a significant pairing that we should expect on some of
your other existing maybe rural markets?
Larry Cash: I dont think so. I think its way too early to speculate that. Basically, good markets
in good states they feed each other and work well together. One of the things we try to do is
hospitals in Texas, the hospitals in Pennsylvania, relate to better and make sure the referrals are
there when theres opportunities a few miles down the road, 20 or 30 miles to get referral
activity.
Wayne Smith: Yes, I think this is about strategy and how we think about strategy in the
marketplace. We think being broader and wider is important now in terms of managed care and
healthcare reform, all of the above. Our strategies are pretty straightforward around building
market share. Were very clear about that. We do a great job on physician recruiting. We do a great
job on enhancing and improving our emergency services.
This past year, we did like 1.2 million discharge call-backs from our emergency rooms across this
country in terms of patient satisfaction. All that works very, very well. We do think, clearly,
theres some potential here in terms of our outpatient revenue is about 50%. Tenets outpatient
revenue is about 30-something-percent, 33%, 34%, I think in that range.
Outpatient revenue has been moving up for a long, long time. This is not a new strategy. Its one
thats been in existence for a long, long time. So all of us have been working around that. You can
go back and look at historically what were saying and what other companies are saying in terms of
developing that. So, obviously, that is a there is an opportunity there.
I suspect whats happened in those markets competitively theres been a lot of competition in
the markets and thats something well just have to work around. And we see this periodically
ourselves. But when you look at our consistent performance, its really about strategy and how we
think about our approach to our business practices.
Larry Cash: And Ralph, just one point, on the acquisitions last year, we bought one in Siloam
Springs, which is 30 miles from three of our good hospitals in Arkansas. And this year we bought
one in Marion, South Carolina, which is 28 miles from Florence.
So we have bought hospitals less than $100 million, both of those were less than $100 million; one
about $60 million, one about $40 million. But they can feed into the nearby hospitals we already
own, so that gives us an opportunity to be successful in those markets and then also get some
referrals under our larger markets. And thats what you try to do where you have overlapping
services and states.
Ralph Giacobbe: Okay. Great. Thank you.
Operator: Kevin Fischbeck, Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
Kevin Fischbeck: Okay, thank you. I guess, I wanted to ask you about the you mentioned before
that having urban hospitals and the non-urban hospitals together creates a broader network. But I
guess this was kind of the view 15 years ago or so. And then you had ACL, then we spin out
LifePoint and Triad. I was wondering if you think that things are now different the market now
benefits from this type of consolidation when it didnt before? Why will it work this time when it
didnt work last time?
Wayne Smith: Well, I think we have healthcare reform and I think the dynamics around the markets
are changing, particularly the insurer base is going to be changing. Youre going to have
exchanges, youre going to have 32 million more people.
Dont forget, though, we were at Humana for a long, long time. Humana is now part of HCA, so we are
very capable of running and managing those kinds of hospitals. Then if you go back historically, we
had the view then that we a vertically integrated delivery system with the managed care and
hospitals was the right idea at the time.
This healthcare reform, by the way, has a lot of that in there in terms of the Kaiser view of the
world and the Cleveland Clinic, and all of that. So Im not suggesting that were interested in
managed care; all Im suggesting is that were interested in a broader network so that we can
accommodate all those patients.
Larry Cash: I think also, if I remember correctly, HCA had about 300 hospitals when it started
doing that, and I think they were just doing things which it should do to help increase shareholder
value, which is the same thing were doing in these transactions possible transactions, to
increase shareholder value.
Kevin Fischbeck: Okay. And then how are you guys thinking about the NOL at Tenet? Do you guys
expect youd be able to use all of it? And are there going to be any restrictions or limitations as
far as you can see on it?
Larry Cash: Based on our initial analysis, weve had some outside help to do that. But well be
able to use it, itd be over several years, probably a little faster the first five years. And then
the remaining 12 years after that. So it would be of benefit to us. And were aware of that and I
think most investors and most analysts are aware of the NOL that exists. And we would be able to
use it and well factor it in. It will be a cash tax savings; it wouldnt affect pretax income or
EPS.
Kevin Fischbeck: Okay. And then, finally, what are the next steps here? So youve kind of laid out
the case here how are you guys thinking about this internally, as far as the next steps to take?
Wayne Smith: Well, I would say a couple of things, and if I were to back up a little bit, I would
say that its unfortunate that we werent able to have a conversation about this. Our first letter
that we got basically said our Board of Directors did not believe that your proposal offers even
remotely fair value to Tenet shareholders and therefore see no reason to pursue discussions between
the two companies.
We pushed back a little bit and then we got this five-page letter, which, Im not sure that helped
us very much in terms of value, and what the real value is to the shareholders and how it works for
each shareholder. So its one step at a time. Were certainly hopeful that rational people prevail
here, and that we have an opportunity to have discussions and have an opportunity to talk about
this, and hopefully, work out a transaction that works both for the Tenet shareholders and for our
shareholders.
But I would say that we are absolutely committed. And we think this is strategically important to
us going forward and is compelling, in terms of a value for both shareholders.
Kevin Fischbeck: Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Operator: Justin Lake, UBS.
Justin Lake: Yes, good morning. Just a couple of questions on the financing side. I just wanted to
confirm the assumption you used when you discussed accretion in year one, it sounds like its
approximately an 8% cost of debt and no benefit from refinancing Tenets existing debt. Is that
both correct?
Larry Cash: We didnt make an assumption on debt refinancing activity. Were probably not going to
a lot of activity (technical difficulty) not going to get much more of that. But and we did
use something in the range of what the market has been the market has been around 8%.
Justin Lake: Okay, great. And then how much debt pay-down do you think you could expect to do over
the first few years? And is there a target leverage ratio that you think you could get to? I mean,
it sounds like youre going to be up into the low fives here if you close the deal.
Larry Cash: It maybe in the low fives. Id just sort of say in the Triad deal, we did six times.
Its now down to five times and something similar should be able to get done in this transaction.
Were not in the position now I dont want to give that many specifics out on the leverage move,
but it would move down nicely similar to the way to Triad, maybe a little bit better.
Justin Lake: Okay. And Larry, I think this might be the first time youve talked publicly, at least
to my recollection, about at least updating those Triad margins. And it sounds like the number I
think you threw out there was about 280 basis points of improvement.
Larry Cash: I thought we said it on our conference call. If anybody has ever asked us on a
conference call, weve talked about our class of 2007. I think weve said its gone from 11% to 12%
up to about 14% to 15%. So we may not have given an exact answer, but weve implied that, or
anybodys answered any type of questions, weve said that.
Justin Lake: Okay. And just the I guess where Im going is the trajectory of those margins. I
mean, how would you lay out, I mean, over a three-year period? Would it be about 100 basis points a
year? And then more importantly, can you break it down? I mean, I remember when you first came out
with the guidance, there was a cost synergy and then there were the later years were more
revenues synergies. Is there a way to think about breaking that 280 among those two groups?
Larry Cash: Well, in the 280, clearly, if I remember correctly, I think we hit about $145 million
the first calendar year. And if we hit about $25 million the first few months and then we hit $100
million in the second full year. So that would say of the $145 million, about half of it was done
in the first full calendar year and the rest of it, about 40% of it, was done in the second
calendar year.
Justin Lake: And how much of the margin improvement was from revenue? Just like, was it half or
?
Larry Cash: The recollection there, probably 20% of that would have been from the managed-care
number type of revenue activity. We generally dont try to consider physician improvement, ER
management, capital spending and that kind of stuff when you think about synergies. Most of it is
in the area of cost. And weve got a very, very good talented managed-care area, which should do a
very good job if this transaction moves forward, and have an opportunity to improve the
managed-care arrangements, I think.
Justin Lake: Great. Thanks for all the color.
Operator: Whit Mayo, Robert Baird and Co.
Whit Mayo: Larry, I guess I was hoping maybe you could help me understand the equity component of
this deal a little bit. Obviously, you offered some stock because I guess you think that the Board
may potentially find it attractive. But maybe why stock? Its fairly cheap, or at least it was
yesterday, thus kind of an expensive source of funding. So just trying to better understand that.
Larry Cash: Well, in looking at what how to best do this, we thought the shareholders, longer
shareholders, our shareholders we could give them some percentage of stock, that would make
sense. And I think they gave $1 out of $6. But we also got some indication itd be helpful. We
believe this will be a very, very compelling transaction, a very accretive transaction the first
year, and very accretive continuing going forward versus our existing element. And we think giving
out $1 in stock would be appreciated for our existing shareholders and especially the ones that own
both Tenet and CHS.
Whit Mayo: Okay. And maybe just the question I had on the recruiting, the emphasis there. I mean,
theres clearly some definitional differences between what you look at as admitting physician
versus how Tenet has defined it over the years, given their splitters. But do you have a sense for
maybe what your referrals look like relative to Tenet on an admissions per doctor basis? Im trying
to understand youve place maybe a little bit more emphasis there (multiple speakers)
Wayne Smith: Absolutely not.
Whit Mayo: Okay.
Larry Cash: The only thing that we could add based on conference notes, theyve talked about 28
admissions per physician. I dont know what that definition is. When we look at our accreting
positions that we do, our admitting physicians will get usually 100 admissions. So there is a
difference there.
Whit Mayo: Okay. And back just to the financing for a second, are you working under the assumption
that you can indeed absorb Tenets debt without refinancing? I just want to make sure that Im
clear on that.
Larry Cash: Weve got lots of alternatives. Thats one of the alternatives thats there. And we
think we can be able to do this in an accretive and effective way, based on the advice we got from
Credit Suisse. I think the bigger focus for us on how the debt would be what wed have to pay for
the new debt.
Whit Mayo: Okay. And then just on accounting, this has all moved pretty quickly, but just
understanding whether or not youve identified any meaningful accounting differences, maybe
income guarantees? I mean, presumably, Tenet has been somewhat more conservative than some of the
others over the years, so just kind of (multiple speakers)
Larry Cash: Well, weve got the same auditors, so I wouldnt take the most activity is what weve
done is making it looked at the fixed assets and (multiple speakers)
Wayne Smith: (multiple speakers) just separate.
Larry Cash: The same, but separate. Different auditors. Weve got to do some estimates on the asset
write-ups, so thats been considered, and also try to estimate lives on that and amortization for
that. Weve looked at what the value an NOL will be. And there shouldnt be that much difference
in reading whats there, there may be some differences but nothing of a that would not be able
to wed be able to handle pretty quickly.
Whit Mayo: Okay (multiple speakers)
Larry Cash: And actually income guarantees, theres not a lot of income guarantees being given now.
Most of the physicians are being employed.
Whit Mayo: Thats true. Do you happen to know exactly what Tenets corporate overhead is running
now? Its kind of been a mythical number to us for a couple of (multiple speakers) .
Larry Cash: No. No, we do not. Weve had to make some estimates on that.
Whit Mayo: Okay. And your estimate is what, maybe 2% of revenue or so?
Larry Cash: Well, most people will run something 1.5% to 2% but so thats probably in the
ballpark of what most estimates would be.
Whit Mayo: Okay. And I guess maybe my last question, just to throw this out at Wayne, just curious
how bad do you want this? I mean I presume youve got a set of parameters that youre willing to
work within and presumably stay disciplined on valuations, so you sort of mentioned the low-five
leverage ratio you dont really want to go past. So just anything helpful to understand at what
point youre just not interested any longer in these assets.
Wayne Smith: Well, I said this earlier, were hopeful that rational people will prevail here in
terms of the thought process. We think it is fully priced at $6 a share. If you look at what weve
been paying for hospitals over the past couple of years, its been a lot less than this.
So and were absolutely committed. I mean, I think its a one step at a time, so its a little
early to make any determination about what the next step might be, but its unfortunate and were
apologetic for the fact that we had to go public with this. If we had had the opportunity to
discuss this face to face, I think we would have had a different result here. And we would have
been able to work through this.
It is such a compelling opportunity for both shareholders were having a difficult time
understanding why not. And the five-page letter didnt help us that much with that as well. So, I
can tell you that you that, you know, you know us; you know were very disciplined operators, that
we think strategically that, yes, weve been accused of being opportunistic, and we are. And I
think thats what we do. And well continue to do that. So its a good opportunity for us and well
continue to work on it.
Larry Cash: Id also just add a little bit. Youre asking questions about overhead and projections
and all of that. Weve looked at all the cost reports for three years for their hospitals. Weve
looked at all the conference notes. Weve done lots of projections here and generally have had
pretty good accuracy in those projections in the IPO and the debt financing weve done, and in the
Triad transaction. So weve done all the work we could do with the information that we could get
our hands on. So theres been a lot of effort to try to make sure weve got reasonable, good,
accurate assumptions here.
Whit Mayo: Great. Okay. Well, thanks a lot, guys.
Operator: And your last question comes from the line of Jake Hindelong of Soleil Company. Your line
is open.
Jake Hindelong: Good morning. Jake Hindelong at Soleil. Can you give us a bit of commentary on the
one-time charge, the order of magnitude? And do you plan to keep all the hospitals?
Larry Cash: Well, as of right now, yes, on all the hospitals. The one-time charge is stuff that you
would have for like youve got severance pay and change of control, and things of that nature.
We havent quantified that; I dont think well go into that kind of details yet. But its all
manageable. Similar transactions were done in the Triad activity. But those would be your one-time
charge. There may be some accounting differences, which we had alluded to, but those are usually
not cash charges, but there could be some of the change in control and severance payments.
Jake Hindelong: Great. And then just as far as timing of the accretion year one, fair to say it
would take a couple of quarters to make the move?
Larry Cash: Well, I think well just well stick with if its accretive in the first 12 months;
its a little difficult to sort of predict at this point in time exactly if its first quarter,
second quarter or third quarter. But in the first 12 months, wed expect to see an accretive
transaction.
Jake Hindelong: Very good. Thank you very much.
Operator: And there are no further questions in queue. I turn the call back over to management for
any closing remarks.
Wayne Smith: Thank you again for joining us this morning. We believe that this acquisition marks a
clear and strategic step for the future. We remain focused on our business strategy and
improving our results. And once again, if you have any questions, you can reach us at area code
615-465-7000.
Operator: This concludes todays conference call. You may now disconnect.